tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post2935090915421588204..comments2020-08-12T03:28:22.001-07:00Comments on The Almost Vegan: ObsessionsElainehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02883685141057444220noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-53072553646046196602009-07-13T14:39:01.798-07:002009-07-13T14:39:01.798-07:00I enjoy your obssessions/kicks (whatever you want ...I enjoy your obssessions/kicks (whatever you want to call them). Right now I'm on a kick to find out all about sugar and how it is killing us. We definitely need a nutrition overhaul in my house. I'm working on it. <br /><br />The PETA and anti-abortion movements have a lot of similarities, don't you think? <br /><br />-NikkiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-12984001681883898692009-07-13T12:38:36.885-07:002009-07-13T12:38:36.885-07:00Elaine, what's most interesting to me about yo...Elaine, what's most interesting to me about your post is the insight into you process information. You truly have the DNA of a scholar. It takes that kind of pit bull tenacity to really research a topic.<br /><br />That said, I'm out of things to say about PETA, vegans and vegetarianism. You've already written more than I've been willing to read up until this point. :-)50 Something Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11139098990097883257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-53290816822173236042009-07-13T08:12:32.744-07:002009-07-13T08:12:32.744-07:00Whoa! Teacher Man! Honestly, your last sentence ...Whoa! Teacher Man! Honestly, your last sentence sounds as fanatical as some of PETA's actions. (But I'm glad you commented; there's a lot to discuss here.)Elainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02883685141057444220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-52315121283800457892009-07-12T22:46:02.651-07:002009-07-12T22:46:02.651-07:00When thinking of PETA, I am reminded of William Sh...When thinking of PETA, I am reminded of William Shakespeare's play "As You Like It" in Act 3 Scene 2 when Orland and Jaques speak to each other. <br /><br />Jaq: God be wit you; let's meet as little as we can.<br />Orl: I do desire we be better strangers.<br /><br /><br />Do I dare write how I truly feel about PETA? I find this organization to be replete with blind zealots who fanaticism undermines any reasonableness of animal welfare issues. I await the day their tax exempt status is revoked and the propaganda which they spew forth vanishes from the Earth.Teacher Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058854949737811128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-73339629815024208512009-07-12T20:44:09.106-07:002009-07-12T20:44:09.106-07:00I agree with you about PETA. I think it's a gr...I agree with you about PETA. I think it's a great example of an organization that could do a lot more good in the world if it would change its attitude, tacticts, priorities, etc. I think they turn off at least as many people as they convert. Probably way more.<br /><br />On the other hand, a lot of people said that about ACT UP in the 1980s. In hindsight, it's pretty clear that what worked for them was the combination of their traditional lobbying efforts and their in-your-face obnoxious street theater activities. (Yes, I have taught "Social Movements".) And, as with ACT UP, I can see how activists would feel that more extreme action needs to be taken just to get people's attention. So PETA activists feel strongly enough that "meat is murder" that it would justify far more extreme actions than either you or I would be comfortable with. And at least they haven't yet resorted to murder as have certain other extremist movements in this country. <br /><br />But this is different than AIDS. When it came right down to it, it was fairly easy to convince people that we should support medical research, even if it was putatively for the benefit of a group they didn't like much. But most Americans like eating meat. The effort to move towards vegetarianism and/or veganism has to be seen as a multi-generational task.<br /><br />So, yes, work on reduction first. And getting people familiar with alternatives to meat. And producing and marketing more alternatives to meat. But this will take time. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I don't know that much about PETA but I wonderJoelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-29704896250131015592009-07-12T20:17:21.950-07:002009-07-12T20:17:21.950-07:00To Hart -- I did not flip out (nor would I) when P...To Hart -- I did not flip out (nor would I) when PETA advocates eating less meat (I advocate the same). As for the jingle of the ACA -- that's all it is. And for better or worse, it's still normative (which is why fewer people "flip out" over it). ElaineElainehttp://laney-lanesworld.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-62733713953768792802009-07-12T18:31:10.481-07:002009-07-12T18:31:10.481-07:00Everybody flips out if PETA advocates eating less ...Everybody flips out if PETA advocates eating less meat, but nobody flips out when the American Cattle Association tells they that beef is what's for dinner.Hartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-32739756426002539112009-07-12T14:42:06.090-07:002009-07-12T14:42:06.090-07:00I've got Sea Shepherd in Google Alets, and you...I've got Sea Shepherd in Google Alets, and your Blog came up. Interesting reading. I found myself thinking "that's me"!lecrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330007061656673259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517797058287564272.post-81604599080676315912009-07-12T10:58:35.744-07:002009-07-12T10:58:35.744-07:00The dichotomy of liking people who support things ...The dichotomy of liking people who support things you find distasteful is, to me, as easy as being a meat-eating ecologist who strives to live green and won't drive. But there's a reason you'll never see JFO run a drive for the PETA. I try to keep MY personal politics out of the matter, and respect the fans as much as the fan-object.<br /><br />Still, after ten years of it, you get pretty good with the comprimises!<br /><br />Moderation :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com